is interesting that ruth simmons, the farrar president of brown, -- the former president of brown, wrist african-american president of any ivy league university, and i want to bring greg wilder back into this conversation, commissioned the first ivy league study of brown university's connection to slavery, professor wilder. >> i think this is a critical moment in american history. throughout the process of talking about the book, one thing that i constantly return to is her decision in 2003 to commission a study of brown's the slave trade. this happened for a number of reasons. there was a blowup at yale about their relationship to the slave trade, which became quite controversial. that also helped spark rumors about other institutions. and made public secret of brown's relationship became even more pronounced. when the first nonwhite president of an ivy league institution took office. it took tremendous courage to make that decision. the report in 2006 is an important extort -- extreme example of how we get this conversation happening. the same about the documentary. one thing that i th